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Thursday, July 09, 2009

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elginite

The primary issue concerning voters is not foreign policy, it's the economy and on that, Mark Kirk voted for Cap-and-Tax. It's hard to spin that as a positive for the economy.

If Kirk ends up as the nominee we will have to see who the nominee on the Democratic side is, because it is possible that the Democrat may be more conservative than the Republican in this race.

John Galt

Kirk would probably be the second coming of Arlen Specter.

Dave

the complainers on this site must be the far right spectrum with about 2% of Illinois demographics

Finally, we have chance of winning a Senate Seat and I think Kirk at top of ticket will help us win back Foster, Debbie, and hopefully Bean's seat.

Any news on who is going to challenge her? Top tier candidates?

Sam Pierce

Those who think Cap and Trade, Gun Control, abortion, and illegal immigration are bad ideas should shut up and fall in line behind the Dem-lite candidate?

Dave

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/07/senate_democrats_launch_assaul.html

Read this and watch the ad and realize just how scared the Dems are of losing this seat

Imagine Republicans winning the senate seat of current President not even 2 years into his term? Nice PR for our side

Get supportive now! The math is simple Kirk wins his district, Aaaron, Roskam, Biggert, Johnson, Manzullo, Shimkus plus he should win Foster, Beans and do well in Hare seat and he wins

Also it appears IL Dems may not nominate any African Americans for statewide office which should squash turnout there

Elizabeth

No way, Dave. Can't twist arms on this one. Kirk is a cap n'traitor.

I don't think the Dems will mind losing the seat to Kirk! It'll just be like a Dem has it, with the added advantage of the Dems being able to instruct Repubs on how to win elections: "Vote with Nancy"!

And hey: at least Foster voted correctly on the biggest tax increase on citizens ever. How about that! I hope he stays in office, esp if his opponent is a Hastert.

Dave

Elizabeth u aren't republican then

your hopeless

Mark Thoman

87% Obama, 83% Kerry in 2004, 84% Gore in 2000. What would you call that? Kirk wins because he's a typical IL-10'er: a RINO. He's peeled off D votes in the north shore, and can slam downstate to beat Chris Kennedy.

Another Kirk Approved RINO might hold 10. An across the board conservative and the DCCC pours resources into a Dan Seals again, another KAR they might shy away; twice burned that's cost them many millions to no avail.

Elizabeth

Actually, Dave, I am coming to see that sort of statement("not a repub!")as something of a compliment, esp in this state!

Hopeless as a GOP pawn, I am!

GKB

Congressman Kirk is a problematic candidate. There is no getting around the fact that he is vulnerable to a Republican candidate closer to the mainstream of the GOP electorate.

If a primary becomes a liberal GOP versus a center-right candidate you could end up with a divided party in the general.

It will also be interesting to see whether the Club for Growth decides to play in a primary for senate. That would be a cue for a lot of us as to whether to support Rep. Kirk or not.

Frank Napolitano

Kirk is far too liberal. You can call him a moderate, but we need a conservative, not a moderate to represent Illinois in the US Senate, and that is not Kirk. Republicans need not be Democrat light, they need to be conservative. They should be pro life. They should understand the second ammendment and every ammendment as well as the entire constitution. They should always be fiscally conservative and socially conservative. They should be for a strong military and they should be against amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Dave

The few on here attacking Kirk its time to put up or shut up.


If not Kirk then who can WIN and I mean WIN in November. This is Illinois people we have not elected a true Conservative till what Fitzgerald and that was more anti Braun win?

So can we PLEASE be honest and realize Illinois is blue state now and we need to rebuild the party.

I find many of u some frustrating

Jim Caldwell

Get used to it Dave, many of us are frustrated with the same old tired analysis that you are peddling. It's what has led us to virtual one-party rule in this country.
So you think Kirk is the one to rebuild the party? lol. good luck with that.

Pittsburgh Steelers Fan

Hey Dave,

Let's be real Mark Kirk is a Democrat. In 2008 he rated 190, which means 189 reps were more conservative than him. He was more liberal than Judy Biggert 163 Ray LaHood 182 Obama's and Tim Johnson 186 that were rated and Melissa Bean 205 and Bill Foster 233 were the most conservative Dems. Jerry Costello and Dan Lipinski rated more left wing than I thought.

Here are his Kirk's 2008 Rankings

Dist Party Econ
Kirk, Mark Ill. 10 R 42
Soc Foreign Comp Rank
43 41 42.2 238

Econ Soc Foreign Comp Rank
58 56 59 57.8 190

2007 Rankings
Kirk, Mark, R-Ill.-10
Lib Cons
45.5 54.5

Dave

u want to a compare and contrast of those numbers to Durbin and Obama please

People like u are the problem; you cry like river and throw hissy fit cause guy isn't 100% lock step when this is Ilinois a blue state and liberal at that

Right on

Oh for crying out loud, Kirk voted against the surge in Iraq.

Bill Baar

As Wright said of Obama, Kirk's doing what politicians do.

I'm in the mood for a winning GOP Politician and just as Kirk went with the mood of his dirtrict, I suspect he'll go with the mood of Illinois as the backlash against Obama and the Democrats grows stronger 'cause that's what Politicians do.

Count me for him.

Yvonne

Kirk in the Senate will not increase the strength of the GOP. He will be as frustrating and biligerant as Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe. He's said to have personal issues that could put us back to 2004's race. And he ultimately could become IL's Arlen Spector -- just what the Democrats would love.

PeteSpeer

Chris made a courageous post.

If Kirk were to win the Republican nomination for Senator, and I do not support him in that primary, I would support him 100% in the general election.

You want maybe Chris Kennedy or Gianoulis or Danny Hynes or whomever the Democrats nominate?

Party politics means fight like hell to get your man nominated and then fight even harder to get your party nominee elected.

Each Party is an amalgam of compromises. That is what winning politics is all about. Even in 1860, when Lincoln was elected as the second Republican nominee (John C. Fremont in 1856 was the first and he lost to a united Democrat bundle of compromises named James Buchanan) the Party platform was a compromise on the key issue of slavery. The party stood not for its abolishment but for no new state to enter as a slave state. Even then, Lincoln won because the Democrats split into three factions.

Mark Thoman

"He's said to have personal issues". If Kirk had issues Rahm's storm troopers would have been all over them last cycle.

Why go for a possible pragmatic win when we can have a certain idealistic defeat?

Fitzgerald didn't win because he was a conservative, he won because he wasn't corrupt (remember the Fab Five?). He had to beat Didrikson, the IL and national R's that polled against him, and against an incumbent Chicago Braun, that he beat by less than 3%, the first R in the seat in 20 years.

Peter Roskam (IL-6) beat the largest scale version of the D blitzkreig last cycle, he has first hand experience same as Kirk on beating their attack machine. I'd like to hear him or someone from his campaign weigh in.

ILvotes

If Kirk was at least a moderate it would be nice. But he seems to be a liberal with a decent vote here and there.

Elizabeth

Why? Because ideas matter. Getting another RINO into the senate, doesn't. I'd rather have a Dem in the spot, then a RINO, besmirching conservative ideals/values with practically every vote.

I know it's odd for some of you to imagine, but there are still folk out here, in the hinterlands, who hold their ideals pretty highly. We just won't sell out to see an R in senate rolls. Esp if the R votes more like a D!

Erin Raasch

US companies, big and small, are already making plans to leave the US if these monster bills such as Cap'n Trade and Healthcare pass. This is not a secret; it is easy to find this information. Many of these companies are leaving Illinois. As doing business in the US becomes increasingly difficult and jobs dry-up, tax revenues are also drying-up. As we have already seen, substantial budget cuts are already being made in US defense, and plans for missile defense etc. are being flushed down the toilet. Mark Kirk may be strong on defense issues, but with rapidly shrinking tax revenues, defense will be on the chopping board regardless - we won't be able to afford it. Cap'n Trade will, and should be, his downfall.

eric blair

I lived thru Sen. Chuck Percy -- and painfully recall the constant drumbeat of liberal pundits calling one leftist initiative after another "bipartisan," because they could point to Percy as being for it along with the Dems.

I'm not interested in seeing that again as would surely be the case with Kirk.

I voted against Percy in '84 and would at best be "gone fishin'" if Kirk were the GOP nominee in 2010.

If elections become absolutely meaningless, who cares anymore?

10th Republican Voter

How would a Senator Kirk vote on the absurd constitution-usurping treaties that will assult the Bill of Rights? Obama is bound to shovel plenty of these to the Senate given the current 60-seat Dem majority. We need to break that majority this cycle or suffer significant permanent damage. Given Mark Kirk's past voting on Hate Crimes bills and Second Amendment issues, one would do well to express concern.
he has expressly denied that his Cap and Trade vote was politically motivated, so one is left to wonder what his real motivation was for damaging what's left of the Republican brand.

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